You think some of those who deny Obama’s eligibility sound a little crazy?
Seems to be an accurate perception. From The Oregonian (via OregonLive.com):
A Springfield blogger is accused of threatening the life, limbs and lower alimentary canal of a Secret Service agent.
James T. Cuneo, 43, was indicted Thursday on charges of making a series of threats against Special Agent Ronald Brown in the course of his official duties.
This was strange turnabout for Brown, whose job in the agency’s Presidential Protection Division is mainly to thwart threats against the commander in chief. For the first time in his 15-year career, Brown wrote in federal court papers, someone was repeatedly harassing him.
There’s a difference between a dog on a bone and a psychotic; some of the Obama denialists appear to have blurred the difference. Cuneo’s complaint appears to revolve around the same issue that set off Texas Darlin’ and a few dozen others. Cuneo escalated the thing; let’s hope no others do the same.
On Oct. 16, Brown and Springfield police detectives dropped in on Cuneo to chat about threats he had allegedly made about Google executives on his Internet blog: walkndude.wordpress.com. (WordPress has taken the site offline for violation of its terms of service.)
“Cuneo was extremely belligerent, refused to answer questions and became increasingly threatening,” Brown wrote in an arrest affidavit. “We left the driveway of Cuneo’s residence without further incident.”
Cuneo then began to phone the Secret Service office in Portland, threatening Brown and others, the government alleges. “Cuneo,” Brown wrote, “seems to think that we are aiding and abetting the ‘illegal U.S. President’ and that he and others need to arrest us for not doing our job.”
Brown says Cuneo phoned him in January and, with a colorful series of expletives, threatened him with physical harm, including execution by hanging, electric chair or firing squad. Those threats — and Cuneo’s history of violence — concerned federal officials, according to Brown’s affidavit.
Time to get back to real issues. 2010 is around the corner, 2012 is not much farther.
And, by the way, a federal judge in the District of Columbia issued an order dismissing one of the many nuisance suits filed by the denialists (styled Hollister v. Soetoro) , stating clearly that the suits are nuisances and asking for a showing of why sanctions under Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure should not be applied. In short, the judge has ruled that the case against Obama’s eligibility is so rank and utterly without substance that any lawyer of average intelligence and sound mind should know better than to trouble a court with it. I think this is from the court’s order:
Because it appears that the complaint in this case may have been presented for an improper purpose such as to harass; and that the interpleader claims and other legal contentions of the plaintiff are not warranted by existing law or by non-frivolous arguments for extending, modifying or reversing existing law or for establishing new law, the accompanying order of dismissal requires Mr. Hemenway [the attorney of record] to show cause why he has not violated Rules 11 (b) (1) and 11 (b) (2) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, and why he should not be required to pay reasonable attorneys fees and other expenses to counsel for the defendants.
Crazier fringes of the anti-Obama guild claim that a letter from Obama’s attorneys asking that the suit be dropped is “threatening.” It’s not threatening to tell the schoolyard bully to straighten up. How much ozone have these people depleted?
Update: Yes to Democracy also carries news on the March 24 action by Judge Robertson. When do the denialists finally wake up, smell the coffee, smell the stale beer cans, pinch themselves, take a shower and get on with life? So, to sum up: A judge in Washington, D.C., has dismissed the suit and called the bluff of the plaintiffs and stealth plaintiffs; Huffington Post revealed the financial stake of WorldNet Daily in continuing to finance the suits, and in pushing the suits improperly; and a federal prosecutor won an indictment of a blogger who started rumbling about taking violent action in favor of the Birthers, and who failed to heed warnings to tone down his vitriol. Have the birthers figured it out yet?
Tip of the old scrub brush to Micah.
Resources:
- Rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, from LII at Cornell University; Wikipedia on FRCP generally; a lengthier explanation at The Journal of the Legal Profession (which I’ve never heard of before)
- Real Democracy, on the dismissal of the Hemenway/Berg suit
- The Peoples Forum, “The Berg Smackdown”
- Yes to Democracy, with links to the order and other commentary
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Lotti -Yes I am afraid you missed it. There are many Obama supporters – or should I say former supporters – who are now birthers. They are disappointed over the BC issue, as well as his other policies. Birthers consist of more than just republicans. As to me personally – I admit I would not have voted for him even if there was no eligibility issue. Because I disagree with everything he stands for, except perhaps environmental policies.
Nick – I voted for McCain because I believe being born on American military base and to American citizens makes him eligible. From what I understand, definition of a NBC is somewhat open for interpretations. My problem with Obama’s BC is that he is obviously hiding something. If he admitted that he was born in Kenya – than he may or may not have been found eligible; but at least he may have stood a chance while preserving his honesty. At least McCain was telling the truth about his birth; besides, besides his eligibility was never questioned by anyone except one guy (forgot his name) who believes nether of the presidential candidates were eligible since nether were born on American soil.
My disagreements with Obama are not race-related, and I stand by it. They are related to his views.
And Ed, and others, I’ll tell you something about myself. I grew up in the socialistic Soviet Union, so I did study Marxism, as it was a mandatory part of every school and university course. So I know exactly what I am talking about. I know about Marxism not just from theory, but from practice. Nick – yes, everything on your list is Marxist. There was no private property allowed in the Soviet Union, everything was owned and controlled by the government. As a result, the economy sucked, and whatever riches existed were taken and distributed within the government system, communist party members, and their protégées.
Russians learned the hard way that the only fair economic and governmental system is a system based on rights for economic initiative and private property. No, it is not a perfect system, but it is much better than the opposite. None of you guys know it from personal experience, but I do.
Also, keep in mind that the rich pay taxes and create jobs. The government created welfare system for the poor, which is funded from taxes paid by the rich – where else would the money come from? If this is not justice – than what is? Besides, there are multiple private charity organizations of various profiles currently functioning in the US. Who funds them? The poor? Or maybe the government? No – the rich!
There must be a limit to how much taxes are raised before the rich lose interest in economic initiative. Because history shows that government economy has no chance. Successful economic system requires private initiative, and a lot of it. This is how people are wired – they don’t take interest in something they can not profit from. Not perfect, but it works better than the other approach. FYI – I am not rich, but I believe in free economy. Whenever the socialistic system takes over, it simply means redistribution of wealth from the rich to those in power. The poor don’t get anything in the process. Yes, I know it from personal experience. This happens until no riches left. Then the system crushes, just like it happened in the 80s at the collapse of the Soviet Union.
I am a naturalized citizen, and I love America. Do we really have to go through the same process as Russians did after the revolution of 1917? Should we not learn from their mistakes instead of repeating them?
This is how I look at it. If you guys disagree, there is nothing more I can do.
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Tell me, Carmen, are the following Marxist:
1: Every person has a fundamental right to life and a right to those things required for human decency – starting with food, shelter and clothing, employment, health care, and education.
2: The economy must serve people, not the other way around. All workers have a right to productive work, to decent and fair wages, and to safe working conditions. They also have a fundamental right to organize and join unions. People have a right to economic initiative and private property, but these rights have limits. No one is allowed to amass excessive wealth when others lack the basic necessities of life.
3: “The needs of the poor take priority over the desires of the rich; the rights of workers over the maximization of profits; the preservation of the environment over uncontrolled industrial expansion; the production to meet social needs over production for military purposes”.
4: Furthermore, the state has the duty to prevent people from abusing their private property to the detriment of the common good. By its nature private property has a social dimension which is based on the law of the common destination of earthly goods. Whenever the social aspect is forgotten, ownership can often become the object of greed and a source of serious disorder, and its opponents easily find a pretext for calling the right itself into question.
5: But it is unfortunate that on these new conditions of society a system has been constructed which considers profit as the key motive for economic progress, competition as the supreme law of economics, and private ownership of the means of production as an absolute right that has no limits and carries no corresponding social obligation.
6: Individual initiative alone and the mere free play of competition could never assure successful development. One must avoid the risk of increasing still more the wealth of the rich and the dominion of the strong, whilst leaving the poor in their misery and adding to the servitude of the oppressed.
7: First, one may not take as the ultimate criteria in economic life the interests of individuals or organized groups, nor unregulated competition, nor excessive power on the part of the wealthy, nor the vain honor of the nation or its desire for domination, nor anything of this sort. Rather, it is necessary that economic undertaking be governed by justice and charity as the principal laws of social life.
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Carmen, since you claim this has nothing to do with race then I’m sure you’ll say that John McCain should have to prove he is a natural born citizen of this country and that if he doesn’t do so you’ll promise to sue, right?
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Oh and by the way…if Obama is a Marxist then you, George Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain and every Republican in the country is a fascist.
Knock off the stupid histrionics.
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Carmen, he would have had to prove that he is a natural born US citizen when he filed to run for President.
So since you and the others want to claim that he isn’t a US citizen then it is up to you to prove your claim. You have to prove yourself right, we don’t have to prove you wrong. So either cough up the evidence or shut up.
Because this is smacking of what you Republicans did to Clinton where you came up with 100’s of frivolous stupid dimwitted claims and then proceeded to launch lawsuit after lawsuit not because you guys had any legal basis but that you were trying to cripple Clinton’s Presidency because you wanted to punish the United States for daring to elect a Democrat.
And as for your claim that OBama is a Marxist oh please don’t be so asinine. He isn’t a Marxist and that you make that claim only proves how little you know about Marxism.
And I wasn’t accusing you of being a racist. But the fact remains that you wouldn’t have done this nonsense to a white guy. The only dimwitted reason you have is that he is a Democrat and that his father is a Muslim. If he was a Republican and his father was Christian and white this nonsense wouldn’t even ben an issue.
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Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but another thing that strikes me as odd about the birthers, is that every single one of them seem to literally hate President Obama. At least every one that I’ve encountered. They hate him and everything he stands for.
I’ve never come across a single birther who said, “You know, I think Barack Obama is a decent man of integrity. I support his policies and think he would be a wonderful president. I think he’s just what the U.S. needs and I would have voted for him, but I couldn’t in good conscience, because I honestly don’t believe he’s eligible.”
It seems to me that if there was anything credible about the birthers’ claims, there would be at least a small handful of people expressing this kind of sentiment.
Have I just missed it?
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Also Carmen, why would the Hawaiian government have a long form birth certificate on file if he was born in Kenya? Wouldn’t that be in, you know, Kenya… And wouldn’t there be evidence like immigration papers, port of entry documents, a Kenyan Birth Certificate, etc, that would actually prove your case? Don’t you think that it’s a little odd that there’s not one credible legal document out there that establishes Obama’s citizenship as non-American if he is The Great Usurper as the birthers claim? You’d think that there would be one true patriotic American who has seen the long form certificate that’s says place of birth: Mombasa and you know, gone whistle blower on the whole thing.
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I’m just going to go out on a limb here and ask what does that have to do with the eligibility issue? Birthers love to accuse Obama for raising taxes 3% on the wealthy while giving a tax break to everyone else as somehow being socialism. Oddly though article III clause V gives no ideological basis to disqualify a candidate. Of course the whole eligibility issue is clearly not about sour grapes over the victory of someone you disagree with. It’s about the constitution right Carmen?
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Seriously? You think that? Can you point to any Marxist policy?
I’m assuming on the basis of that remark that you’ve never seriously studied Marx or Marxism, right?
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I would certainly believe it if the God said it. But the God is not saying it, so it is all hypothetical.
I was unfamiliar with the term “creationism” until you explained it. As it is – no I do not believe that God lies, so I do not believe in creationism. It was a misunderstanding.
I am only saying that I can not tell from the website either the doc is genuine. Can you?
And he posted his BC on his site not as a response to the accusations, but just to show it.
The Hawaiian official only confirmed that they do have BHO’s BC on file. No, she didn’t mention what the doc says regarding BHO birth place. And every attempt to see it by others was blocked by a bunch of attorneys – this is what’s most suspicious, forget about all else. This is according to my sources.
I do know about presumption of innocence, but there is no way I can make a court look into this and decide either he is guilty or not, because courts have been dismissing most cases without even hearing them.
Yes perhaps I wouldn’t mind so much if a republican won – guilty as charged. Although today’s republicans are weak. Look at Bush and McCain.
I am most supportive of capitalism, freedom of business, speech, religion, and mainly small government. I don’t want these freedoms limited in any way, and from BHO books is clear that he is a Marxist. He takes a pride in it. BTW, I know exactly what true socialism is like, and believe me in this at least – you don’t want this socialism around. But it has nothing to do with BHO being black. Just how many times do I have to tell you I am not a racist?
Good night for now.
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Let me point out something for you, Carmen. You are not an official, you have no forensic expertise. And yet there you sit deciding that the birth certificate I showed you is false. Hello hypocrisy.
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Because the state officials of Hawaii said it is, Carmen.
to borrow the adage, if 50 million people say a foolish thing, Carmen, it is still a foolish thing. It doesn’t matter that “too many people have been insisting that something is wrong” because something does not gain credibility just because a bunch of people are saying it. Or do you think we have alien bodies in Area 51 because a lot of people have said it?
And since when, Carmen, is the director of the Hawaiian Department of Health just a “clerk” and has no expertise. Again Carmen, all candidates have to go through a vetting process. That includes being investigated by the FBI and the Secret Service. Are you going to claim they’re not experts? His entire history would have been checked including where he was born because it’s kind of a constitutional requirement.
And no he didn’t ignore the whole thing. When the charge was first laid he produced his birth certificate. The thing has been taken to court three times now and all three times the ones making the same claim you’re making have had the case tossed out. At what point are you finally going to accept that he is a US citizen. And at what point, Carmen, did you decide to toss out the concept of “innocent until proven guilty” out the window?
And you may believe in God and that God doesn’t lie..but you are also saying that God lies when you say you believe in Creationism because Creationism says God lied.
Like I said before God could come here, tell you that Obama is a natural born US citizen and you wouldn’t believe it. Because you’re so damn closed minded because you’re pissed off that he won. To be blunt, Carmen, if Obama was a white Republican the very idea of questioning where he was born would not have entered your mind.
You have no evidence to back your claim, you have no credible source. All you have is a conspiracy theory and sorry it’s not credible.
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Nick, I do agree that Earth and Universe and very old, I only said we can not know the exact age. It is okay for the Universe to be older than humankind, there is no controvercy here. Humankind can be older than 6 thousand years; but if you do accurate count by the Bible, it would come to less than six thousand. However, I am open for other points of view.
Could you send that Snope reference again please?
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Nick – How can you tell looking at an image posted online and be sure, not being a forensic expert, whether it is fake or not? It is a website picture, not original document. Nobody except Hawaiian cleark and not forensic-qualified reporters has ever seen the original.
I didn’t miss anything regarding his “Hawaiian BC” – but there are way too many people insisting that something is wrong with his birth, this way or another. It must be for a reason. I can not imagine all of it is a “lunatic wet dream” or whatever you call it. Besides, he is ignoring this whole thing, which is suspicious. Perhaps legally he is under no obligation to respond to these accusations; but he is our president; hundreds of thousands of americans sign petitions to investigate this matter. Isn’t it enough reason to respond, even if he doesn’t have to?
I do believe in God. God doesn’t lie, only people do.
Anyway, I am surprised you are still there, I thought you were not reading my comments anymore.
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Carmen, just a quick fact for you.
If you look up at the night sky and see a star that is 6 million lightyears away…that light you are seeing tonight left that star 6 million years ago.
So earth and the universe are far older then you want to pretend. and we humans are far older then the mere 6000 years you want to give us. You can believe Creationism or you can believe the God that created us, the earth and the universe. But you can’t believe both. Because Creationism is the belief of heretics who are calling God a sociopathic liar.
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Carmen, why don’t you try coming up with a nonbiased source that has evidence that Obama isn’t a citizen. Then you might get somewhere.
But if you didn’t notice..one of the sources I gave you was Snopes….and Snopes is not politically biased one way or the other.
You are spouting a asinine conspiracy theory that has no evidence, no proof and no chance of being true.
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And like I said, not every position is worthyof respect, Carmen. This conspiracy theory of yours isn’t worthy of respect. Because it isn’t true and has no chance of being true. It’s the blitherings of a group of people who are edging towards insanity just because they’re pissed off that the black Democrat won the election.
He was born in Hawaii to a woman from Kansas. He is a native born American. Nothing you say changes that fact. So seriously, Carmen, it’s time to get over yourself.
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This is interesting, too. You guys can sign up for Google alerts using a search term “Obama’s eligibility for President office”, or similar. You’ll be getting automatic e-mail notifications. When you read what I read every day, it just may give you a different prospective. You need more information.
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=5737
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No, Carmen, Creationism is not the Biblical account of Creation. Creationism takes the Biblical account of Creation and then posits the idea that God is a liar.
And as for your repeated claims that Obama isn’t a natural born citizen..what part of we have shown you his Hawaiian birth certificate have you missed?
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Hi Nick if you are still there,
You are probably going to call me names again, but I just wanted to show you another example of where I get my info. The difference is, you get your info from other sources, which are opposite in opinion to mine. If I was close-minded I would not have gone to https://timpanogos.wordpress.com blog in the first place, since it is obviously pro-Obama. But I am curious and try to understand how other people’ minds works. Are you capable of understanding another person’s position? You should try, it can be fun you know.
Anyway, read this. You’ll disagree, but it is informative. After all, you do want to know what you are fighting against. http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=1517
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Hi Ediacaran,
Yes I believe in Creation as described in the Bible, if this is what you meant by “creationist”. I believe the humankind as we know it is less than six thousand years old. Regarding the Earth and the Universe – they are much older, but in my opinion their age can not be determined exactly, since the measurement is linked to the measurer. In other words, we can not calculate something which occurred before first human being came into existence, because there had been no sentient observer at that time. I respect other points of view nonetheless. I hope this answers your question.
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And he would have had to have proved to the US Government, including the FBI, that he was a US citizen when he registered as a candidate.
So yeah the sheer inanity of claiming that he isn’t a US citizen and that somehow escaped the notice of everyone that matters is borderline insane on a mass scale.
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Carmen, from conversations with others who’ve expressed views similar to yours (and an apparent correlation I’ve noticed), I’m curious: are you a creationist? If so, how old is the Earth, in your view? How old is the rest of the universe, in your view?
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I meant you, Carmen, when I said “Jim.” Was a slip on my part as Jim is someone I’m having a debate with on a different thread.
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Graeme, he’s produced a document that he can get a passport with and counts as proof of citizenship. This has been verified by outside sources, including fact check and snopes. Against that you have, what? Baseless accusations. Furthermore as Ed has so dutifully posted, the State of Hawaii has verified that they have his BC on file and that yes he was born in Hawaii. Of course, you can’t explain that so that’s just more lies too.
The thing is birthers can’t explain these things, so they shout “lies” or “it’s a conspiracy” or in your case some ramblings about how stealth is how the world operates. Look, you never bother to prove any of your claims. You never say what would satisfy you. Hence you are an object of ridicule.
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So absolutely no evidence for his eleigibility. Nick found that link where Factcheck lied and linked it again. Factcheck lying isn’t evidence Nick. Do better.
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Nick – who is Jim?
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Oh wait…the Republican’s including John McCain and George W Bush would also have to be in on that conspiracy.
Time for you to turn on your brain, Jim.
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Oh please, you can no be no more sure that Obama is sending this country to hell then I was sure that if McCain would have won he would have died in office and Sara Palin would have accidentally launched our nuclear missiles.
As for Obama and the birth certificate, here’s another link to it:
And here’s a link to what the Hawaii Department of Health’s director and the Registrar of Vital Statistics said:
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
Now you can continue to engage in that quixotic conspiracy notion but you are really only deluding yourself. Three separate lawsuits over the stupid thing have been argued and dismissed. The sheer amount of people that would have to be involved in any such conspiracy argues against it. Because you are talking about the Democratic National Party, the Secret Service, the FBI, the Department of Justice and whoever else is involved when you register as a candidate for President.
So what this boils down to in the end, Jim, is that you are engaging in sour grapes not because you actually think he isn’t a citizens and definitly not because you have any evidence to back your notion..but that you simply don’t like the fact that the black male Democrat won the Presidency.
If you had any evidence to back your claim you’d show it. You haven’t. And in this country, despite your fascist wet dream, there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
If you don’t like where this country is headed, child, then leave this country. Oh and please don’t go off on that “socialism” bent again because you have no idea what true socialism is.
Don’t chide me to be open minded, Jim, when you’re mind is so closed that it’s eating itself in paranoid delusions.
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii to a US citizen. Nothing you say changes that fact.
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Graeme seriously why use such language? You have many good points, but let’s be civil. Nick, too.
And Nick – if you think I am such a stupid idiot, why read and respond to my comments in the first place? All comments are way below the main article, so obviously you are getting back to the comment section on purpose.
I don’t really care if you insult me – I was just teasing you. You can keep insulting me up to the point when I am tired of this exchange, and beyond, for all I care. It is nothing but amusing. I only wish the whole Obama thing was as amusing as this.
And FYI – I became interested in the Obama’s NBC case way before he won. This is a very long story. At that point, McCain had chances too. Not as I was very impressed by McCain, but he would not send this country to hell like Obama is doing.
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Graeme, I have looked at the evidence… and yes I always ask for evidence… I keep asking it from you to no effect. I can judge for myself. I’ve listened to you and other birthers and have concluded that Obama has provided basic evidence that he is a NBC. People who shout forgery or conspiracy have to prove what they say. In America and in general western legal tradition, the burden of proof lies on the accuser. Your decision over whether or not a document is a forgery is irrelevant. You can’t convict someone based on your own say so, that’s vigilantism. Neither can I.
You have made an accusation. For Obama to be found guilty of anything he would have to go before a judge for that crime and be convicted by a jury of his peers. That judge would, yes, rule on admissibility of evidence. In your case, since you provide nothing but endless ramblings on stealth conspiracies, it would get thrown out of court, like all the other birther droolings.
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I’m telling you there will be violence if leftists lie to me like you people habitually lie on the net.
I’ll tell you that straight right now.
Its just not acceptable. And if its something to do with whole generations being brought up in two-income public service households without “MOM” to bring you up right thats just to bad. I mean how is Nicks form. He cannot get his FIRST SENTENCE out without a blatant lie.
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“Carmen, the birth certificate was produced.”
Why did you lie Nick?
You are lying.
Lies don’t count.
So why did you lie?
The birth certificate is confidential to the public. It is alleged to be in Hawaii. I don’t believe the Hawaiians are lying about that do you?’
So why did YOU lie.
You are FILTH mate.
You cannot even converse with an honest girl like Carmen but that your first sentence is a blatant lie and no need to read further.
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“Graeme, I am hesitant to ask what you view judging is. In my view, it involves adjudicating impartially a dispute in law.”
What’s the LAW got to do with it. Look you just aren’t smart. You are a blockhead.
We were talking about whether a document is fake or not. If its fake its fake. Its fakeness stands independent of judges and laws and all that.
Its a particularly weak fake. You would have thought he could have gotten the Sauds secret service to dummy up a serviceable copy.
You are just a dummy mate. You are thick.
We wern’t talking about the law. We were talking about a forgery.
Come here under your own name so that hopefully you will at least try to reign in your congental stupidity. I blame your Mother. And I’ll slap your father if I ever see him for siring someone via such a dumb wench.
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What are you talking about a judge for you stupid stupid stupid stupid retarded drooling idiot??????
What has a judge got to do with anything. The fake document was a fake when whichever idiot, faked it up. Nothing a judge can do or say could ever change that.
You appear to be confessing a complete lack of independent ability to judge matters yourself. But I knew that already. Since you are a twit. A blockhead. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Carmen, the birth certificate was produced.
Now you can keep on claiming that he’s not a NBC all you want but it is your claim to prove. We don’t have to prove he is a US Citizen…you have to prove he isn’t.
You and your fellow “He isn’t an American” whackos are just that..whacko. You are insane. God could come down here say that Obama is a US citizen and you wouldn’t believe it. Why? Not because you actually have any proof that he isn’t one…but that you are so pissed off that he won that you’re searching for any damn stupid reason to claim he cheated.
And yes..I did insult you. You want to act like a stupid idiot then you’re going to get called for it.
The birth certificate is there, it proves you wrong. It’s time you grow up, admit you’re wrong and shut up. Because nothing you say proves you right.
And as for that website you list…it’s a right wing extremist conspiracy website. Try something with actual credibility. oh wait..you can’t…because you have none.
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It is the whole point that nobody saw his original COLB, except for the Hawaii official who works there and maybe some reporters who – you must agree – are not forensic experts. The original COLB has been sealed from the public. However I think the problem with it is not necessary that it is a fake, but that releasing his birth records will create a precedent for further investigation. Public may finally realize the difference between COLB and Birth Certificate (and no, it is not the same thing). Also, an investigation of his military and college records may get initiated (currently they are sealed as well).
Nick: “And as for you Carmen..I showed you Obama’s birth certificate. It is time you bother to be honest enough to admit you’re wrong”. – I’ve seen this “birth certificate” before, it is not something new. And no, I am not a morally depraved sociopathic liar. And how many times can I repeat I am not a racist either. And I don’t think BHO is a gay, as he is obviously married to a woman and has two daughters. Not that it matters.
Originally I didn’t believe he faked his NB status. I thought it was too big a lie. What eventually made be believe it was his purposeful steady failure to respond to this challenge. What can be easier than going on TV with a group of independent forensic experts and proudly confirming he is a NBC? This way he would embarrass all “morally depraved sociopathic liars” dead, once and for all. And you Nick would miss a chance to call me names. He absolutely should prove his NB status, even if it was “proved” before, he should do it again since the American citizens are concerned about it. Remember, he is answerable to US citizens. But instead, he is paying lawyers to make sure the records remain sealed. If this isn’t fishy, what is?
Something weird is going on in Supreme Court. They don’t want to hear anything against Obama. It is not how valid the evidence is, it is when so many people file lawsuits the court must hear these cases. When a case is heard, then validity of evidence can be proved or disproved. The Supreme Court doesn’t know if the evidence is valid or not; they don’t want to know. They never allowed a case against Obama to be heard.
If you guys consider yourselves intelligent open-minded people, I challenge you to read this – and pay attention before you close and dismiss it as a “bunch of lies”: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=5663
What can prove or disprove his eligibility is a team of recognized experts independently selected by a third party. But he obviously doesn’t want that to happen, that’s why he sealed his records. To me, it does look like he has a lot to hide.
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He was born in Hawaii, the birth certificate proves that. You, Bird, are insane.
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Graeme, I am hesitant to ask what you view judging is. In my view, it involves adjudicating impartially a dispute in law. Clearly in this case, you have made an accusation that the President is a usurper. Indeed, you claim that the constitution requires Obama to be taken away. (where does it say this exactly?) In such cases, usually there is a judge involved, unless you have some sort of frontier lynch mob idea in your head as an idea of justice, which I admit, given your statements, is IMHO quite likely.
Again: Where is your evidence to back up ANY of your claims? Or do all you have is baseless accusations?
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Where is this theory about zero-stealth in international relations coming from?
Its like you immense idiots just need three pre-requisites.
1. A crap degree.
2. Clubby smugness and hubris.
3. You need to say to the opponent “Ho HO. You are talking about A CONSPIRACY”
So the country that had been astonishingly dominant was a country whose dopier elites were massaged into thinking that there is no such thing as stealth and going even further to put down everyone who knows that this is idiotic… Going further to put down all such people as hopeless Rubes. Antiquated Neanderthal throwbacks with grass between their teeth.
Not thats fantastic for adverserial nations when once upon of time America had the full-spectrum advantage IN ALL THINGS.
Great. Fantastic. No such thing as stealth so you can get beaten by Korea and by little Vietnam. Because you are stupid. And you don’t think there is such a thing as stealth.
Well thats fantastic for the other guy.
But millions die because of this sort of stupidity and manipulation. And you Americans might be proud of yourselves for having ammassed so much productive power and quality of life while the Europeans were at eachothers throats. But these things come with some responsibility. And part of that responsibility is not to be such stooges.
There is stealth in international relations. Moreso when the other guy cannot be beaten in a fist-fight. You Americans act like the dopiest punch-drunk Palooka around. Its an embarrassment to see how easily you are taken in.
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We need judges to judge. What is your point? Thats right you don’t have one.
Obama has to be taken away in chains according to your constitution. But I’d be happy if he just went away.
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Yeah Graeme, what do we do we need judges for anyways? It’s those types of liberals who insist we have these things called trials and present things like evidence before we hang people. And again, where’s your evidence? If a judge won’t do it for you, what constitutes proof in your mind? You saying so?
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This faith-based Hawaiian birth story really isn’t going anywhere is it.
Dummies. Totally in disbelief that a country that spends a trillion a year in the military might not be subject to manipulation. And no historical precedent to back this anti-stealth view of international affairs up.
Did not Philip of Macedon use stealth in his dealings with the Greeks? Is not stealth always part of international affairs?
America was so dominant economically that to stooge her was the only way for the rest of the world. And we’ve always known that. So for the rest of the world to convince Americans that there is no such thing as stealth and that they ought to be embarrassed by the very notion of it is just so gay on the part of you Barrylanders. Its feeble. Its weak. Something in the water. No longer the home of the brave except for those remnant tax protesters. The last true Americasns it seems.
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Wow Graeme, those posts are nearly perfect in its absolute lack of facts and basis in reality.
Ed has provided evidence. Others have linked to the Birth Certificate. I see no refutation from your part. I see nothing resembling anything but wild claims and conspiracy theories.
As for Chester A. Arthur, well at least according to Leo Donofrio was only a British citizen when Arthur was born. Thus if you take the two citizen parent on US soil that most birthers embrace he was not a NBC. Charles Curtis’ mother was a Native American and he spent his early life on a reservation. By the birther definition he too was not NBC.
Oh no, the great usurpers have oppressed us all. How did the United States survive such a tragic violation of the US constitution? It just managed to stay together long enough, without any remediation whatsoever just so a secret Muslim/Socialist could amass secret power by winning a fairly contested election and enact policies that are popular with Americans. The horror!!!
Quick question, who adjudicated the Van Buren matter? I would like to know who cleared him and what process settled it in your mind. And again answer the question: What evidence does Obama need to produce to satisfy you? Or would you just baselessly call that faked too, and offer no evidence to support that claim?
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“Hey Graeme, I’d like to see some evidence, like at a minimum a a sworn affidavit, or ruling of a court that the COLB posted online was a fake.”
Why? Why a court ruling? Is this an epistemological handicap on your part? Some cult philosophical school in error that you belong to? Or is it some mental handicap?
What has a court ruling got to do with anything? Did you ever even meet any law students at the university you attended. In comparsion to you they may be geniuses. But they are not that bright. And they aren’t document experts. So why are you wanting a judge to decide in preference to someone who has expertise in documents?
Its because you are an idiot. Thats the reason.
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“Nick, oh I know about McCain. But birther logic is very flexible it seams. If we go by their claims, there have already been usurpers in the office of President (Arthur) and Vice-President (Arthur and Curtis).”
Where is this new orchestrated litany of lying stores coming from? The only fellow who had a problem was Van Buren. And thats only because he was born in one of the territories that had not acheived statehood. The founders hadn’t thought of that since after all they couldn’t have predicted that Jefferson would have violated the constitution with the Lousianna purchase.
Hence it was an authentic line-ball case that the original intention of the law neither supported outright or contradicted. So it was appropriate to handle it at the Congressional law-making level. It was all handled up front, no foreign backing involved. No conspiracy or election-rigging. No illegal behaviour. And Van Buren, quite rightly in my view, was cleared.
But it could have gone either way.
There is no way that Barry Soetoro is eligbile. Even if he turns out to be born in Hawaii which is a blatant lie. But there is no possibility he is a constitutional President. For one thing he would have had to be willing to prove it, as is the case in ALL matters of eligibility except where diminished mental responsibility is concerned.
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But anyway lets hear these lies about Arthur and Curtis. Because I haven’t heard them before. And yes I think that McCain was basically ineligible too although closer to line-ball. Which is why he had to be pumped up to obscure the Usurpation.
So yes lets hear your lies about Arthur and Curtis. Do go ahead.
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“Nick, oh I know about McCain. But birther logic is very flexible it seams. If we go by their claims, there have already been usurpers in the office of President (Arthur) and Vice-President (Arthur and Curtis).”
Where is this bulls— story coming from? The only fellow who had a problem was Van Buren. And thats only because he was born in one of the territories that had not acheived statehood. The founders hadn’t thought of that since after all they couldn’t have predicted that Jefferson would have violated the constitution with the Lousianna purchase.
Hence it was an authentic line-ball case that the original intention of the law neither supported outright or contradicted. So it was appropriate to handle it at the Congressional law-making level. It was all handled up front, no foreign backing involved. No conspiracy or election-rigging. No illegal behaviour. And Van Buren, quite rightly in my view, was cleared.
But it could have gone either way.
There is no way that Barry Soetoro is eligbile. Even if he turns out to be born in Hawaii which is a blatant lie. But there is no possibility he is a constitutional President. For one thing he would have had to be willing to prove it, as is the case in ALL matters of eligibility except where diminished mental responsibility is concerned.
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But anyway lets hear these lies about Arthur and Curtis. Because I haven’t heard them before. And yes I think that McCain was basically ineligible too although closer to line-ball. Which is why he had to be pumped up to obscure the Usurpation.
So yes lets hear your lies about Arthur and Curtis. Do go ahead.
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He’s not a black man. And he wasn’t eligible to be elected and he cheated anyhow. So he’s not President.
Let me know if you find any evidence for this faith-based Hawaiian birth you have going.
McCain was likely a setup also. You’d want to investigate how he suddenly found himself down and out then with a surge of funding mid-way through primaries. You Americans have let the left tell you that people who will do you harm aren’t allowed to be stealthy.
But they are allowed to be stealthy. They are allowed to have the ability to fake documents and rig elections. This is war and the enemies at war with you are allowed to be smarter than you, sneakier, more determined, and better at strategy.
What they are never allowed to do is to WIN.
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yes it’s quite amusing that they just can’t get over the fact that a black man won the Presidency.
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Nick, oh I know about McCain. But birther logic is very flexible it seams. If we go by their claims, there have already been usurpers in the office of President (Arthur) and Vice-President (Arthur and Curtis). Yet birthers seem very unconcerned with the great damage done to the Republic by those great usurpers and the lack of action of congress in rectifying said damage. Remember every action taken by a usurper is illegal, thus there may be laws in effect (or treaties for that matter) which were illegally put into effect.
Of course, the constitution also lays out another requirement besides NBC: Namely 14 years of residence. If we read that as 14 consecutive years then ZOMG President Hoover was a usurper too because he spend a large part of his adult life working overseas (either in Europe during World War I or working for British mining consortiums). Strangely birthers are less interested (even though they claim to be saviours of the constitution) of those horrible transgressions then they are for some magic way to get rid of Obama because he’s implementing policies they don’t like.
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Kaiser, remember that McCain was not born in the United States either so whatever charge Bird, in his insanity, is trying to lay on Obama can also be laid on McCain.
And as for you Carmen..I showed you Obama’s birth certificate. It is time you bother to be honest enough to admit you’re wrong.
Or tell me…are you a morally depraved sociopathic liar like Bird is?
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If you think Obama is trying to change this into a socialist country..you’re an idiot who has no idea what socialism is.
You claim that Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States, Bird. It is up to you to prove your claim. We don’t have to disprove it.
So either put up or shut up.
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Sadly, I doubt they ever will.
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Hey Graeme, I’d like to see some evidence, like at a minimum a a sworn affidavit, or ruling of a court that the COLB posted online was a fake. Polarik and Techdude’s analysis don’t count unless we see some credentials. The document produced by Obama is enough to get a passport in the USA. In my country, I have a similar document issued to me with actually less information on it which counts as proof of natural born citizenship.
But let me humour you for a second. What evidence would you accept that the President is who he says he is? What more could he show to you that would actually convince you that he is who he says he is? And why, pray tell, do you get to set that standard?
I have a pet theory that Sarah Palin actually was created in a lab in Wasila, thus actually is not born but rather cloned, and thus cannot be a natural born citizen. Most people think that this is just conspiracy talk, but I reserve the right to demand documentation that proves she isn’t a pod person. Until she proves otherwise, she should not be allowed to run for POTUS, lest she usurp the position.
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Just focus again and lets have some actual evidence for the faith-based Hawaiian birth. For his eligibility. Because conjuring matters by mixing up two pieces of paper isn’t the latest thing in evidence.
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“Trying to save us from a second Great Depression is terrible?:
Some save. He’s going flat out to destroy the economy. No question about that at all. But why did you lie about the Governor? We were talking about the fake certificate they knocked up for the daily Kos. All of a sudden you lied and started talking about another certificate they’ve got locked up in Hawaii.
So your whole faith-based Hawaiian birth approach can only be sustained by lying all the time right?
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“Who says it’s a fake, Graeme? Not the governor of Hawaii, who says it’s valid. Not the State of Hawaii, who issued it, and certified as not a fake. Not anyone who actually examined the document.”
Is there anything you WON’T lie about. Now you are talking about two different pieces of paper.
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Trying to save us from a second Great Depression is terrible?
Good heavens! Do you have any idea what socialism really is? Obama’s studiously avoided nationalizing production in anything. There are no quotas for output on anything. What in the world do claim is socialism?
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Who says it’s a fake, Graeme? Not the governor of Hawaii, who says it’s valid. Not the State of Hawaii, who issued it, and certified as not a fake. Not anyone who actually examined the document.
You got some clown who claims to be a computer programmer, who says the pixels on the internet image don’t line up right? Are you serious? The guy is not a document expert. He’s not an expert in official documents. Anyone who has ever worked serious due diligence wouldn’t give this guy’s claims two seconds’ consideration. He’s not a bona fide document expert.
To claim that you can spot a fake document by its internet image is evidence enough that the guy is hoaxing you to claim to be a document analyst.
Why do you say it’s fake, Graeme? Is there any serious person who has examined the document and made the claim? No.
Don’t allow yourself to be suckered by these hoaxers.
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“It was not issued for foreign births in 1961, so the fact that it exists at all is testimony to a birth in Hawaii. Also, it lists the place of birth as Honolulu. That’s the capital of Hawaii, and it’s part of the U.S.A. There is nothing to suggest that the form Hawaii issues is anything less than completely valid and accurate, valid under U.S. law and subject to the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution. By law, that’s a birth certificate. You may not like the laws of the U.S., but you don’t get to ignore them or nullify them just because they prove the case of someone else contrary to the way you wanted it to go.
It’s no less valid than your birth certificate, nor anyone else’s.”
But whats the point of all this? Everyone knows ita a pathetic fake document. Its true it wouldn’t mean squad were it real. But its an obvious and completely transparent fraud.
Is there any of these magical six points that you reckon is any good?
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“I’ve laid out the evidence. Have you even bothered to look at the six points? No?”
There is nothing to any of your six points. They are just lies and nonsense. Which of the six do you feel is the least bad?
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“No, there is no such evidence. There is a bad video of an interview with an old woman alleged to be from Kenya, in which she says that Obama is regarded highly by the people in his father’s hometown, that he’s regarded as a “son of the town.” In order to turn that into a claim for a case such as this, one would need an affidavit from the woman claiming that there was a birth of Barack Obama, Jr., in Kenya, and not in Hawaii. She never claims this on the video, and there is nothing in affidavit form to support such a claim.’
Here is just another lie. We know where he was born. In the ocast province hospital overlooking the Indian Ocean in Kenya. His grndmother was there. Saw him born. Others have come forward also on this matter.
So Eds relying on a second lie.
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“It was not issued for foreign births in 1961, so the fact that it exists at all is testimony to a birth in Hawaii. Also, it lists the place of birth as Honolulu. That’s the capital of Hawaii, and it’s part of the U.S.A. There is nothing to suggest that the form Hawaii issues is anything less than completely valid and accurate, valid under U.S. law and subject to the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution. By law, that’s a birth certificate. You may not like the laws of the U.S., but you don’t get to ignore them or nullify them just because they prove the case of someone else contrary to the way you wanted it to go.
It’s no less valid than your birth certificate……”
Eds case based on lying alone. Its not a birth certificate. Thats the end of the story. Plus its a fake.
The law justn’t recognise it as a birth certificate. Its not certificate. And its a pathetic lie on your part.
On top of that its an obvious fake.
See your whole case is just based on lying and going along with his feeble attempts to fake documents.
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Ed,
I’ve seen a lot of info on this matter. You are right; I should read your six presumptions as well. Just to follow my own advice of being objective.
By the way, when first I heard about Obama’s non-eligibility, I didn’t believe it. The further am I interested in this subject, the more evident it is that it could be true. I’ll read your presumptions. But still, what he is doing to the country is terrible. I don’t believe in socialism for a reason; it doesn’t work.
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“You guys are blinded by his charm.” I think you are right. But this charm doesn’t do anything for me.
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He’s a homo. No-one has stood us as a former girlfriend. But others have stood up as having had homo type dealings with him. Also there was three recent murders of homosexuls in his Church. Larry Sinclair has said the Donald Young was a boyfriend of Obama and then he was killed execution-style.
I don’t see any evidence that he’s heterosexual or bi-sexual.
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Why do you think he is a homosexual? I don’t think so. And guys let’s have a civil discussion and not call each other names. Personally I don’t care if he is a gay, as far as he is a good and eligible president. He is neither. Look what’s going on. He artificially intensified the economy crisis to take over the country under his rule. Read history, it has been done before, but the first time in US. He is a Marxist, just read his books. He defies everything this country is based on, and no wonder, as he does not have deep roots here. The founders of the Constitution knew what they were doing when they established that only a natural born citizen can hold the office of the president. The president must be rooted in this country. Then no way could he be a Marxist. You guys are blinded by his charm; he is not a nice and honest guy as he appears to be.
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In every previous case, once the questions were answered, the harassment stopped. Why not this time?
I agree the action against the guy sounds excessive, but so do his threats. Not necessary to make threats.
It was not issued for foreign births in 1961, so the fact that it exists at all is testimony to a birth in Hawaii. Also, it lists the place of birth as Honolulu. That’s the capital of Hawaii, and it’s part of the U.S.A. There is nothing to suggest that the form Hawaii issues is anything less than completely valid and accurate, valid under U.S. law and subject to the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution. By law, that’s a birth certificate. You may not like the laws of the U.S., but you don’t get to ignore them or nullify them just because they prove the case of someone else contrary to the way you wanted it to go.
It’s no less valid than your birth certificate, nor anyone else’s.
I’m sorry, but under U.S. law, under Hawaiian law, according to State Department Rules, that is a birth certificate. The State Department issues passports based on a certificate of live birth, which is how Obama got his passport. State checks on those things, you know — Obama’s birth was clear to the State Department nearly 30 years ago. Neither you nor anyone else has presented a case to suggest that State’s ruling was in error. No evidence, no case — you’re arguing a nuisance suit, and nothing more.
The certificate itself says the place of birth was Honolulu. Some people have claimed that it would be possible to get a certificate in Hawaii that does not list an accurate birthplace, in the case of adoption. Adoptions from foreign countries are not included in that clause, however, so a Kenya birth for anyone would be listed as a birth in Kenya — and you seem to ignore the fact that such a certificate only applies if there were an adoption. Obama was not adopted. His mother was a U.S. citizen (which means that he is “natural born” regardless his birthplace, just like Barry Goldwater, John McCain, George Romney and others).
No, there is no such evidence. There is a bad video of an interview with an old woman alleged to be from Kenya, in which she says that Obama is regarded highly by the people in his father’s hometown, that he’s regarded as a “son of the town.” In order to turn that into a claim for a case such as this, one would need an affidavit from the woman claiming that there was a birth of Barack Obama, Jr., in Kenya, and not in Hawaii. She never claims this on the video, and there is nothing in affidavit form to support such a claim.
You’ve fallen victim to a hoax. The courts are not obligated to honor a hoax as anything other than a hoax (which is just what Judge Robertson did in calling Berg’s bluff). Just because anti-Obama “Birthers” can be hoodwinked (and I don’t think for a moment you really believe that) doesn’t mean the courts have to be hoaxed, too.
Forget Google for a moment. I’ve laid out six different ways that Obama’s eligibility is clearly demonstrated for courtroom purposes, with clear verification (such as his birth certificate, which is legal as the day is long despite your choice not to follow the rules), or with rebuttable presumptions — not one of which you nor anyone else has any evidence to overcome. None of those websites, blogs or articles presents any evidence to overcome any one of the six presumptions, and not one of them presents any evidence that would be admissible or is otherwise considered legitimate for courtroom use.
(Here are the links, again, to the six arguments:
See this:
https://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/6-ways-challenges-to-obamas-citizenship-fail/
and this:
https://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/fail-repeated-challenges-to-obamas-eligibility/ )
I can say you are Marie, the Queen of Romania. That doesn’t make you a woman, Romanian, nor queen of anything. None of those websites one would find has any binding legal authority, nor any evidence that would establish you as Marie the Queen of Romania, nor that Obama is ineligible for office. At this moment, both those claims are equally evidenced and equally plausible, legally. Both are hoaxes, and courts are not only not obligated to make a citizen suffer for the enjoyment of another citizen who wishes to perpetrate a hoax, but they are obligated to put a stop to such foolishness.
Rule 11 sanctions are not common in federal courts. They mean that the violator is really, really beyond the pale. The evidence is so thin in these cases that any sane person quickly realizes they won’t stand up in court. A lawyer is obligated not to trouble courts with wild goose chases.
I’m not calling you racist, but I do observe that you appear not to understand how some evidence is probative, and other evidence is not; you don’t appear to appreciate the system of official records for births in the nation; you don’t give much credence to any laws of citizenship or immigration (I won’t predict your views on immigration in public, but I can guess where you stand on an issue you don’t grasp the details of).
I’ve laid out the evidence. Have you even bothered to look at the six points? No?
Let me just say that you’re not exactly diligent in pursuing the arguments and evidence, and that no one else has an obligation to grant credence to something you cannot provide evidence to support.
It has nothing to do with belief. It has everything to do with what can be proven in a contest of evidence. Your quiver is empty of evidence.
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This murdering conman is also a homosexual by the way. There he is. Tall Hawaiian. Good at basketball. Where are all the sheilas coming out and claiming to be and old girfriend.
Leading a double life comes naturally to this conman Marxist filth criminal.
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Nick I see you are still going with the faith-based approach. Can we have some evidence please or just stop lying.
He’s a proven usurper. There is no doubt about that.
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Goodness me I read you wrong Carmen. No there is no doubt. He is just a criminal on the run. And he acts precisely like a conman on the run would.
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There is a doubt that Obama is truly a natural born citizen, and a lot of evidence to support this doubt.”
How about stop lying about it Carmen and make good with the evidence. You have to be willing and able to show eligibility to be eligible for anything. The usurper fails on both sides and must by law be taken away in chains.
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It is easy to say that anyone who doesn’t like Obama is a racist. It is not true. I personally have nothing against black people whatsoever. Every US president is an employee of American people. President is not a king. It is our right to question his actions, including his eligibility. It is not an insult. People questioned other presidents before him. I don’t know about that guy who was making threats; I am not making threats to anyone.
What he posted on his website is called a Certificate of Live Birth, which the State of Hawaii used to issue for foreign-born babies. It may be quite authentic, but it is not the same thing as US Birth Certificate. Hawaii officials confirmed the authenticity, yes, but nobody ever said where exactly Obama was born. And there is evidence of his paternal grandmother that she personally witnessed his birth in Kenya, not US. This is just to start. There is a lot of information regarding this issue. Try to Google “Obama’s eligibility for presidents’ office”, you’ll find lots of websites, blogs, articles. Question is, what you choose to believe, and what you choose to disbelieve. I believe things that make sense to me. It you want to form an objective opinion, you have to be open-minded enough to hear out different points of view. Just write it off to me being an “obsessive lunatic” and a racist. How convenient.
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Mein Gott, have the two of you completely lost it? Phoned him at his office, not his home address, and swore at him. The SS agent probably gave Cuneo his card, so that’s how he obtained the number. The “history of violence” is what? Did he get into a bar fight? The guy is a loser making threats of a frickin’ electric chair!
I guess I spent too much time under real threats (two terrorist bombings in Frankfurt and a drive-by in Dyablikir) to be concerned when some internet bully threatens to round up a lynch mob, assemble a firing squad, or the gods forbid, drive me to see ol’ Sparky in Tallahasee, FL. Mountains out of a molehill, that’s what I see.
And no, as a former COMSEC officer, I would not waste time looking to lay blame. When the first bomb went off in Rhein Main our response was what did WE do wrong, and how do WE prevent it from occurring again. BTW- what we found was we spent too much time chasing noisy bogeymen who were no threat and ignored the simmering (and quiet) threat that was being imported from abroad.
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He threatened a member of the Secret Service. No, Bob, that is not taken lightly and shouldn’t be taken lightly. Because what happens if they take it lightly and oops..he kills the guy? 6 to 1 says you’d be sitting there complaining that they didn’t take it seriously enough.
In this day and age…and considering all the shootings that have been in the news lately..including the, what could charitably be described as, execution of 4 policemen…no you don’t take it lightly. You don’t take risks like that.
The guy got the secret service agent’s phone number. What? You wait til he gets the guy’s home address to act? Or do you wait even then?
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From the story in the Oregonian linked to in the main post:
Just FYI.
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Nick, “take lightly” is probably the correct tack. Other actions I would consider are ignore, disregard, and dismiss. Mr. Cuneo, by all appearances, is as dangerous as any other internet troll. The best action we can do when dealing with trolls is ignore them. C’mon, a threat that involves an electric chair? That’s not a threat, it’s a fantastic story told by adolescents.
Now if it comes out Mr. Cuneo owns a number of firearms, has a history of real violence, or is diagnosed as having a psychotic break, then yes, I’ll concede that he should be considered a danger. However, so far all that is alleged are empty and absurd threats by someone incapable of following through. He may be noisy but he is truly impotent. You don’t take seriously these deniers? Why is this person different?
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Carmen, here’s his birth certificate:
Now you will apologize for your stupidity, admit your error and shut up. I am so sick and tired of dimwits like you who just can’t get over the fact that a black man won the presidency.
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No, Carmen, there is no doubt that he is a US citizen. None at all. All you have is stupid dimwitted conspiracy theory because you can’t get past your racism. His birth certificate has been produced.
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Carmen, what evidence is there that Obama wasn’t born to his mother in Honolulu? There’s nothing that would stand up in a high school debate, let alone a court of law. There’s no affidavit to deny the newspaper accounts. There’s nothing to suggest any problem with the birth certificate the State of Hawaii says is genuine — not an affidavit from a disaffected employee, nothing.
Why do you insist Obama live up to standards no one else in America can live up to? I listed the six different, fully legal ways the evidence lays out that Obama is exactly what his birth certificate says he is, an all-American kid born in the USA. Can you offer any evidence to question any of those six presumptions? Is that evidence solid and available for court? Without that, all the claims against Obama are just nuisance suits brought by cranks, crackpots, malcontents, and evildoers (to borrow a George Bushism).
He posted his birth certificate on the internet. He made the thing available for reporters to inspect — they did, and they found it genuine. You won’t accept it.
Will you accept counseling? The problem here isn’t one that belongs to President Obama.
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“Won’t you guys suspect by now that he is one huge fraud and an impostor? Isn’t it obvious?”
No Carmen. What’s obvious is that you’re probably an obsessive lunatic who, like Graeme, may also believe in Martians and that the earth is made of marshmallow.
Carmen and Graeme are living proof that you’re going to attract all sorts of crazies to this thread. It’s not going to be pretty.
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There is a doubt that Obama is truly a natural born citizen, and a lot of evidence to support this doubt.
But more importantly, why is he failing to produce his Birth Certificate? He is but an employee of American people! If people have doubts, he should go on TV with his Birth Certificate and broadcast it many times on all channels supported by a team of experts, and say: here you are – see this? – it is my US Birth Certificate! I am a natural born citizen! Isn’t it something to be proud of – being born in the US? Instead, he is not responding to this challenge, quite the opposite: he pays hundreds of thousands dollars to attorneys to seal his birth records, his college papers, his military record, etc, etc. Tell me: are these actions of a man who has nothing to hide? Won’t you guys suspect by now that he is one huge fraud and an impostor? Isn’t it obvious?
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Bob..it was a threat against a SS agent. Tell me…do you really think that should be taken lightly?
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Bird..what part of the fact that it shows the Hawaiian birth certificate did you miss?
It’s time you admit that either you’re the world’s biggest idiot or that you’re life is so pathetic that you can only get your jollies by acting like an obnoxious and ignorant jackass.
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Or alternatively you could retract your lies, or find this no-existent evidence you coward.
Now where is this evidence for the faith-based belief in a Hawaiian birth?
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I think it’s time the Bird was banned.
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“Oh look…evidence.”
There is no evidence there. You can go there yourself and there isn’t any.
So thats just you lying again. The SS could let the Usurper get shot down and it wouldn’t make a damn difference. It would restore the Republic. And help bring it into a state of reasonable legality.
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What President would that be? You don’t have a President. But you are no doubt talking about Barry Soetoro. A brazen and absolutely obvious conman.
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While I understand the stance of threats against the president, this was a “threat” against a SS agent. Hanging? Firing Squad? Electric Chair? Those are not run of the mill threats nor do they rise to the level of credibility. Pardon me if I do not take seriously that a blogger is going to be capable of inflicting harm on a trained – armed – Secret Service agent. Nor do I suspect he will be able to raise a sufficient force to follow him. His methods, hanging and so forth, indicate he will raise a lynch party that will bring rope, guns, or lumber and copper to punish this agent. Incredible in the truest sense of the word.
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As a general rule the SS is pretty much going to take serious any threat to the President. Just because they can’t afford not to.
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When I read of these things I am reminded of the HST episode when the Secret Service came to call on him. He led a chant at Georgetown speech to “stomp” GHWB for his role in the Iran Contra fiasco. Apparently it is a felony to suggest beating federal officials (even if the intent is not to inflict permanent harm) Although the students did not take the call to arms seriously, the SS was alerted. HST’s response to them was, “You know me, I’ve always advocated tying the closest politician to the bumper of my Oldsmobile and dragging him through the streets.”
Not sure what to make of the current situation. Is it true that humor that uses violence as its absurd crux cannot be discerned from actual incitement to riot? If Swift was alive today and selected as a target for a Modest Proposal the corpulent members of Congress, would he be subject to that same regulation? What of these “harmless” yahoos? This constant escalation of danger distorts the reality and as a result we seem to have produced a government by “helicopter moms.” Are we as a society that much safer by spending our money on this silliness? The Oregonian did not elucidate on the perpetrator’s “history of violence” (Bar fights? Previous idle threats?) The guy may be a lunatic, but is he a dangerous lunatic?
Speaking of looneys, that is one troll of stupid you managed to attract to here Ed. Good luck with that…
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Oh look…evidence.
Now you claim that Obama is not a US Citizen. You have any evidence to back your claim? Or will you bother to be honest enough to acknowledge that you were being a stupid jackass?
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Check out the two posts listed above, Graeme. They explain the legal process, and they lay out the evidence that a court would consider.
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Well lets have that evidence then. Or are you just going to sit around with egg on your face?
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Six ways we have evidence. More importantly, there is exactly zero case that any of the evidence in favor of Obama is wrong.
See this:
https://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/6-ways-challenges-to-obamas-citizenship-fail/
and this:
https://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/fail-repeated-challenges-to-obamas-eligibility/
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He’s no American. But being an American is necessary-but-not-sufficient to be eligible for the Presidency.
But you knew that. Its notable that your little lying-typing was in denial of that knowledge.
Now why would that be?………. (blockhead traitor).
(As if I don’t know.)
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If its proven you can reprove it or there is a four-letter word and you are full of it holocaust-enabler.
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The committed irrationalist is you, bird. In fact..you really should be committed…to an insane asylum.
Sorry, child, it’s been proven that Obama was born in Hawaii and as such is a US citizen. It’s called his birth certificate which the state of Hawaii has.
And curious isn’t it..the only ones I’ve ever heard call Obama a “god” are the right wing whackos like you.
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I know you are a committed irrationalist. And that you believe in the immaculate Hawaiian birth and conception of Obama.
But do you have any evidence for these beliefs.
Because you know how I want to be a zombie too and follow you in your goose-stepping. But how am I going to justify it to the couzie-bros if you cannot show with any actual evidence?
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Well of course he was. How stupid are you people? You don’t know repression when you see it?
I’ve course I’m jerking you around. Because I wasn’t born yesterday and I know full well that your heart is aglow and you are you are fully celebrating the new Caliphate.
But there are still authentic Americans around and that means if these assholes in the secret service don’t watch their step they won’t be around to bear witness to any alleged abuse.
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