Meanwhile, in the evolution debates, where we find the Mother of All Denialism . . .

Other fronts in the War on Education may have earned more attention here in the Bathtub, lately — and in state legislatures.  Threats from the dilution and elimination of good, hard science courses continue to pose problems, especially from creationists and their shyer, camouflage troops from the Chapel of Intelligent Design.

We need to stay aware of the creationist/creationism threat.  At its heart, creationism requires adherents to reject the facts of science, to reject the workings of science, and to reject the functions of debate about what is real, and what is not.  It is to me a rather simple discussion of the quality of evidence.

Eugenie Scott and her colleagues from the National Center for Science Education provide a great update in what is going on, with a great video, and an informative and troubling explanation of the links between creationism and the “unbelievers” in climate change.

Be sure to watch the first ten minutes, to see the video update on the fight to keep good science education in schools, especially the teaching of evolution.

10 Responses to Meanwhile, in the evolution debates, where we find the Mother of All Denialism . . .

  1. James Kessler says:

    Sheryl, since there is no science to Intelligent Design it is in no way shape or form “middle of the road.”

    It’s not science, it will never be science and there’s no reason to treat it as the “middle” when the scientific community rejects it.

    pointing out your window at the tree in your front yard and saying “God did that” is not science.


  2. Ed Darrell says:

    I don’t think the creationism cult known as intelligent design qualifies as “middle of the road, Sheryl — they’re creationists.

    On the whole, your site is way overstacked towards creationism. While I think you’ve probably captured the best creationists have to offer, many very good sites that offer the reasonable view, the rationalist view, the scientific view, are left off.

    Where’s Ed Brayton (Dispatches from the Culture Wars)? Where’s Austringer? Where’s Sandwalk, or the Loom, or Greg Laden’s Blog? Where is the Sensuous Curmudgeon? Where is NCSE? (check the blog roll on the right, under “Faucets of Information – Science)


  3. Sheryl says:

    We posted an article that we thought you and your readers might be interested in having a look at, “Yay or Nay: 20 Sites Debating Evolution vs Creationism”( Just thought I’d let you know that you would be interested in featuring or mentioning it in your blog.

    Thanks for your time!
    Sheryl Owen


  4. Ellie says:

    I get emails from NCSE. It’s a great way to keep up on things. I love to hear Genie Scott speak. She’s so good at it! It offends me that so many people claiming Christianity want to put God in a box and wish to reject his Creation by spouting nonsense (creationism) and lies (anything from the Discovery Institute).

    OK, how long is it going to take for someone to ask, “If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?”


  5. Ed Darrell says:

    Chris, I don’t know about “evolutionism” — whatever that may be — but evolution is solid. It’s a theory, which in science, as I’m sure you know, means much more solid than fact, or law. Theory means its the stuff that explains why the facts are as they are, and why the laws work as they do.

    Every part of evolution theory has been observed to work, in the wild, and in the lab. Evolution in real time has been observed dozens of times, in dozens of different species, simple and complex, bacteria, fungi, plant and animal.

    In contrast, creationism denies key observations, if not the key observations, in biology, geology, astronomy, chemistry and physics.

    I’m curious why you claim there is no God, and on what evidence do you make such a claim? Who are you quoting?


  6. James Kessler says:

    Chris, why don’t you do yourself a favor and get some education. Start with


  7. James Kessler says:

    Sorry, Chris, you can say there is no evidence to back evolution but your spouting bullshit. You know your dna? Yeah there’s the evidence. Just to name one of the pieces.

    Oh and by the way…the theory of evolution doesn’t say there is no god. Most people who accept evolution are also..wait for it…Christians.

    Whereas Creationism from the start says that God is a sociopathic liar. If God created the world and all life, Chris, then God did it in the manner the world indicates…and the world indicates evolution.

    So in effect you’re the one denying God in actuality.


  8. Chris vanderVeen says:

    The problem is, there is no evidence to support evolutionism. It’s all based on assumptions and denial of well documented scientific evidence that supports creationism, including those literal six days.

    The only thing creationism denies, is that the concept of evolution would be based on logic and evidence.

    Still, there is more evidence of denialism on the side of evolutionists, I am afraid.

    And I quote: “There is no God!” (Ahem!)



  9. James Kessler says:

    Yes those who believe in a literal 6 day creation period are very much in denial. About time you recognize that fact, Robert.


  10. Literal 6 day creation. Period.


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